Yes, I have also installed kubuntu 8.04, and yes, firefox crashes on me as
well...
The proper thing to do is to report the crashes to launchpad...

you dont need to file a bug on launchpad. They already have many bug
reports on it. You could send your bug report and subcribe to it. Then
you will get all updates on it via rmail.Have not seen when its
suposed to be fixed.. 8,04 is still in beta and they are updating it 3
or 4 times aday.

Perhaps a useless question but did you hit the send button four times, I
got four messages exactly the same.

Sorry about that, I just noticed it had arrived multiple times, I don't know
what happened there.

I have been running Hardy for a week or so using Kubuntu and Ubuntu with no
problems. I was amazed at its stability compared to when I used it back in
January. I am also very pleased with the improved performance of Firefox 3.

Remember that 8.04 is still in beta, so don't expect it to be perfect. If this
is a common problem (crashing of Firefox 3) then I am sure the developers would
like to have your input.

As for the sound, it again works perfectly with my hardware. I am using the
64-bit version of Hardy. All of the multimedia works great! That is why I am
looking forward to the final release of Hardy so much!

Have you checked the mixer to see if it is turned up?

I have ordered a new sound card so I can have better quality sound. The lack of
sound wouldn't be an insurmountable problem (and yes I have checked the
settings), the thing I cannot live with is the instability of the system as
mentioned in another post. I am running Fedora Core 8 on the computer now and
it has been running for 13 hours without a problem. It was running for an
entire day yesterday after which I rebooted it to finish installing some
upgrades.

If you can't stand the instability then I suggest that you install the last
stable release of Ubuntu, 7.10 (also called Gutsy Gibbon). When you install a
beta you have to expect some crashes. It is still a few weeks away from final
release and is stable on my system, but clearly not everybody's. It will take
some time to iron out the last few bugs so you need to be patient and not jump
the gun.


Canonical urges users not to install betas on production machines. It is not
meant to be your main OS in other words. Fedora 8 has been out for awhile and
should be stable, as is Ubuntu 7.10. It is a bit unfair to compare a stable
release of Fedora (Core 8) with a beta of Ubuntu. I ran Rawhide (Fedora 9) for
awhile and it was really buggy.

I hope that you are able to resolve your sound issues.

The only reason I tried 8.04 in the first place was to try and stop the
instability I found in 7.10. I would still be using 7.10 now if it had been
stable.

Try a distro that doesn't get re-written every six months. No need for
that, Ubuntu is simply following the MonopolySoft agenda of constantly
announcing "New" releases.

I've found that Mepis is a very stable version of Debian.

I use Vista, XP, Kubuntu and Unbuntu 7.10

I I had stuck to the first and only version I would still be using
Windows 3 and the people I teach computer use to would be laughing!!

And I'll continue to laugh at those who don't think Debian Etch, which
came out last May and is the basis of MEPIS, is new enough!

Slavishly changing every six months as Ubuntu does is foolish, and is
at the root of many problems expressed on this list. Change for
change's sake is a fool's game.

I about to stop this thread. For one it is going way word and I feel is not
helping here. Next is the Debian is a linux based O/S and before beating down
the path on Debian. Read up on it.
1. Security and thus changing the fire wall every six months.
2. There is more than one program that up dates that may tie into the kernel.
3. Ubuntu can take a unstable version of Debian and make it play nice.
4. It is free. Why are you screaming about some thing that is no cost to any
one.
5. KDE can be very unstable compare to Gnome.
6. If Firefox is crashing it is due to Flash Player and need to go to Mozzilla
and get flash blocker. It will cure the crash.
7. You can install Gnome with out installing a CD for a fresh install.
Most of the Linux O/S out there is based on Debian. Next is Slax, and so one.
Only one that has a total different kernel is SuSe. It was based of off Slax and
now a stand along. Ubuntu gave Micro Soft the F you and stand up to them and
told them that their law suite was empty.
I used different disto's out there and I keep coming back to Ubuntu. It is free
and there is going to be times that some one is going to have a mind set of
windows. I gone through that phase and why it will not do that and this. Why is
not my printer working? Why is not my video card not working, and why I have no
sound?
This is why I point out to people on this group to see Ubuntu Forums page. And
not say the least Ubuntu Wiki page too. There is even a bug page for Ubuntu
too. If you cannot find the driver to run some thing, You can take RPM and make
it into a Deb file and install the drivers.
Yes, not all companies play nice with Linux and it is open source to a extent.
Like Mepis . You got to beg and plead for the hard ware. You do not need the
code. It is getting your hands on the hardware and start writing code for it.
So before you blast off on getting mad. People should take a time or two on
what really goes into Linux. MS has their share sinking and you can be only
number one for so long.
video.google.com/videoplay

video.google.com/videoplay

Every operating system has it's good an bad points, and it has it's uses.

If you don't like an OS then don't use it, find something else that you like
and use it.

I don't care for some OS's myself but over the years I have used them for my
purposes, now I like Linux and play with a couple of distro's, my choice.

I do electronic repairs on machines, we have high tech laser drils that use
W95 as a base operating system, and it works fine for that application, we
also have high tech EDM machines that use Win NT as a base operating system
and it's fine for that application and the pc runs the whole machine, every
aspect, with a color lcd and touchscreen for control. If you want to check it
out its an AMCHEM HSD6-11 and INGERSOL GANTRY 800..

If you don't like this distro, don't blast it, don't use it, find something
else!

I do not use Ubuntu as my main Linux OS, but I am checking it out for use
elsewhere, my main desktop is Suse for the last 4 years, I like Linux because
there is no BSOD every 5 minutes.

Thanks for that post... and while i respect your intention to end the
thread i would be grateful if you could expand on a couple of points.

a] Why is ubuntu Gnome focussed. You said in point 5
> 5. KDE can be very unstable compare to Gnome.
when other distros seem centred on KDE and appear stable. I need to
use a few KDE apps and thus have used ubuntu [instead of Kubuntu].

b] be grateful if you could say a bit more about suse - i thought it
was the 2.6 kernel but obviously somehow different again
> 7. You can install Gnome with out installing a CD for a fresh install.
... Only one that has a total different kernel is SuSe.

c] 6 monthly updates are great but an app i use is VYM and i want to
use the latest version. Ubuntu has missed the latest version in gutsy
[1.8.0] and is going to include ver 1.10.0 in hardy but they are now
onto ver 1.11.0. Effectively a year behind in updates... admitedly an
app that few people use... just that it is one that i have a need for.

Sometimes a glitch isn't corrected and so one has got to wait another
six months. Time will tell but i do wonder if ubuntu isn't going to
find 6 months too frequent... after all 6.06 was two months late.

I use the server version of ubuntu but have used suse on my other
machine for the reason mentioned... when i wish i could have stayed
with ubuntu.

You can use KDE apps in Gnome and vis versa.
As I said Suse uses a their own kernel. It is not based on any other distro.
It is lunix still.
some times clitch are fix right away and does not effect the kernel. If the
clitch is going to affect the kernel. The update will be slow up coming.
Remember people who write for Ubuntu or Bug fix it. Do it for free or there is
come cash at times.

That is a ludites thinking but each to his own.

Who are you calling a slave :-00

Whatever system you use updates all the time, even your MEPIS. Its how
they keep pace with new software and hardware issues.

One of the problems with Linux is that hardware manufacturers are reluctant to
share information with Linux developers. This makes the job of Linux developers
harder than it needs to be. Open source developers share information quite
freely which is why the OEMs are not keen out letting out their trade secrets.

There are so many projects in open source that, although sharing occurs, it is
fairly fragmented due to the nature of the community. Each distro and project
has a niche. Some distros behave better on some equipment than others. This same
distro may behave poorly on someone else's machine. It is hit or miss to find
what works for you. Maybe Ubuntu is one distro that does not work the best on
your hardware, even though it is the most widely used distro today.

I can get everything to work on my desktop computer except Mandriva. It just
won't boot no matter what I try. Yet, PCLOS and its siblings work great (kudos
to Texstar!). Other distros behave great. Some work only so so. I know that SUSE
will give great performance, but Fedora sucks on my machine. Yet, others will
tell you it works great for them.

I am sorry if I sounded harsh about Hardy. You were right to give it a try and
equally right to turn to another distro when it did not work.

The distros that I have found to be best at hardware detection, aside from
Ubuntu, are Simply MEPIS, a Debian derivative, and PCLinuxOS, a Mandriva
derivative. They are both small distros with active user bases and helpful
forums. My problem with PCLOS is that its repositories are too restrictive. I
love SUSE, but find the same thing. Simply MEPIS on the other hand is Debian so
it has the second largest repositories, next to Ubuntu. Like PCLOS it isn't
bleeding edge however. It does come in both 32 and 64 bit versions and has a
scaled back version for older computers called AnitX.

Other distros to try that may work for you are Freespire, with an Ubuntu core,
but made to emulate Windows and openSUSE. Freespire is simple to install and
use. It has huge repositories, but they are not as current as Ubuntu's. SUSE has
the power of Novell behind them and it is the most gorgeous distro with a great
toolset. Unfortunately it is rpm based and for me that means it is just a matter
of time before you get dependency problems that crash the computer or make
things not work. If Fedora (also rpm based) is working well, then I suggest that
you stick with it.

One of the benefits of a Live CD is that you can try it before you install. If
your sound card or wireless does not work from the Live CD then it is not a good
idea to install it. I often wonder why people install a distro from a Live CD
and then complain that their equipment is not working. Check it out first.
Sometimes it will quit working but that is another story.

I have decided to stick with Fedora for a while but will work through Linux from
Scratch on my other computer so I learn everything from the ground up :)

Linux is big enough for Ubuntu and all of the rest. It is about choice and
freedom, after all. As for the change for change sake, somebody has to push the
envelope. It might as well be Ubuntu, because somebody is going to do it.

You just have to pay attention and find out which versions are long term
support ones and stick with them. Ubuntu has stable LTS versions along with the
latest ones. Hardy will be an LTS version and Gutsy wasn't and neither will be
8.10. If you choose to upgrade every six months you cannot blame Ubuntu foryour
decision. They make upgrading possible, but do not mandate it.

For people who crave new things and lots of choice, Ubuntu is great. But it is
also for people who want stability. These people should still be running Feisty.
Instead of condemning it would be better to learn how the distro does things. It
can be both bleeding edge and stable and everything in between.

However, it is not for everybody and fortunately there are plenty of other
distros to fill in the gaps.

One of the first things Im asked when I post on a forum (other than
this ons) is why Im still on Fiesty. Because its stable. Yea, Ill
install Gutsy (maybe) on a laptop to play around with but not for my
main system. I do work on my os - my os is not my work.

I think Ubuntu has done a lot for linux to bring it along. And in my
personal opinion, its more stable than XP Pro - and I loved that over
any MS distro. The good thing about linux is, you can install a piece
of software and if it hangs - you dont have to crash your system to
get control. Well, ok, there are those rare times where that is not
true - but overall - I havent lost any data on linux and I lost GB's
of data on windows even when I was doing everything right.

But there is a learning curve. You cant just jump into it. Im still
not totally stable on linux. There are things that still are very
difficult to me - like the command line and all the commands and what
they do - but that hasnt stopped me from making a living - and a good
one at that - installing, supporting and using ubuntu.