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Mark Shuttleworth's thoughts on 8.10

  Date: Dec 14    Category: Unix / Linux / Ubuntu    Views: 448
  

Mark Shuttleworth's thoughts on 8.10:
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Answer #1    Answered On: Dec 14    

You know what would be cool? Taking certain elements like switching
to guest mode, but keeping 8.04 for those of us with older graphics
cards like the maddog radion 4000.

 
Answer #2    Answered On: Dec 14    

Ok ,read Mark's thoughts and still being new to Linux and Ubuntu 8.04, should I
worry or want to upgrade. I know that 8.04 has long term support. Is there
anything new and improved that should make 8.10 bigger/better then 8.04?

 
Answer #3    Answered On: Dec 14    

It's not clear whether any of the changes for 8.10 will appear as
normal updates for 8.04 or not.

Looking at the 8.10 Features overview:
<www.ubuntu.com/.../810overview>

I don't see anything that couldn't/shouldn't be available in the usual
bug-fix/security-fix/enhancement process. In other words, I don't see
anything that truly defines 8.10.

Given that 8.04 received at least one (I haven't kept track) kernel
upgrade, there's no real reason 8.04 users won't continue to receive
them, too.

There are some issues with 8.10; see the Release notes:
<www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810>

If everything's working fine for you now, might be best to wait until
the dust settles down for more feedback here.

 
Answer #4    Answered On: Dec 14    

I'm downloading 8.10 final with bittorrent. At 20kb/s, it will take a while.

 
Answer #5    Answered On: Dec 14    

It was faster for me to use http downloading. I started Kubuntu via http and
Ubuntu at torrent at the same time. The Kubuntu was downloaded before Ubuntu got
to 25%. The torrent took hours longer, but that should improve as more people
seed.

I also started to upgrade one of my computers and it is supposed to be finished
in two days according to the the progress bar. Hmmm. Heck, I downloaded and
installed Kubuntu 8.10 on a computer before the upgrade got out of the starting
gate.

 
Answer #6    Answered On: Dec 14    

Other than (the obvious reasons) for war3z by people who wear black
eyepatches, carry a parrot on their shoulder, and go-around snarling
"Arrgh!" and "Yo Ho Ho!", what is the benefit of torrents given that
in _every_ situation I've seen it takes manifold longer to download
anything compared to a straight HTTP, ftp, or wget/curl transfer?

 
Answer #7    Answered On: Dec 14    

There are several improvements in 8.10 that won't be available to 8.04. First
there is the guest account which allows you to have someone use your computer as
a guest without having access to your files or system. Secondly there are two
new applets. One allows you to clean your system of orphaned files. The other
allows you to install Ubuntu to as usb device similar to Unetbootin. Thirdly
there are improvements such as the latest kernel 2.6.27, more drivers, improved
networking including pervasive internet, latest Xorg 7.4, Gnome 2.24 (also
available for 8.04), and Samba 3.2, encrypted private directories, and last but
not least dynamic kernel module support which is supposed to reduce kernel
compiling as new drivers come out.

In addition it loads faster and shuts down much faster.

 
Answer #8    Answered On: Dec 14    

Applications (and I consider Gnome to be an app) can always be
upgraded. If not via apt-get, then directly from source.

Do you have any idea whether the 8.04 kernel is "frozen" and won't
receive any updates for the next 3 years (even though there's been
at least one 8.04 kernel update since May 2008)?

> In addition it loads faster and shuts down much faster.

But how many times does one (re)boot and/or shutdown in a day? :-)

Seriously, have you by any chance timed the boot/shutdown difference
between 8.04 and 8.10 on the same hardware platform (since you've
already used both 8.04 and 8.10)? Just curious.

 
Answer #9    Answered On: Dec 14    

You should not worry. 8.04 is a long term release with support for three years
for the desktop and five years for the server. 8.04 is here to stay.

8.10 is bleeding edge. That comes with benefits and problems. If you are unsure
then stay put.

 
Answer #10    Answered On: Dec 14    

Thinking of Hallowe'en or have you been watching Pirates of the Caribbean? :)

Torrents are certainly used for piracy, but they have other uses as well. Unlike
downloading clients such as gwget a torrent allows users to upload as well as
download which shares the wealth (file sharing) better among users as you are
giving as well as taking. Using a torrent potentially improves download speeds
as it: downloads partial files from users who are farther along than you are,
provides a broader base of download sites which is especially important if a
site has limited access (common in ftp sites) or its servers are being maxed
out, and is a good way for small developers who cannot afford to maintain a
server to get their product out. In addition, it has the advantage of a
downloader in that it can be paused and resumed. For someone on dialup, a
torrent or a downloading program is the only way to go because the file can be
resumed later and you can control both download and upload bandwidth. When I was
on dialup, nothing was more
frustrating that to go to bed with a large file downloading over night, only to
find that it stopped before completion and the only option was to start all over
again.

Torrents aren't always longer than http or ftp. It depends on many things
including the number of users, the bandwidth of the people sharing, and the time
of day. I have got some things dramatically faster with bittorrent clients such
as Transmission or Deluge (my perferred client). It just depends on too much to
make a blanket statement.

BTW, some distros are only distributed via torrents. Some distros use both
torrents and http/ftp as it will save them bandwidth and they are on a budget.
Most major distros also offer torrents simply because it is just one more way to
distribute their product. A couple will offer http for paid users and torrents
to the rest of us.

 
Answer #11    Answered On: Dec 14    

No. I have not timed them both. I know that 8.04 takes considerably longer, but
then again it is older and I am running more servers/ daemons so it isn't
something that would be a fair comparison.

I don't shutdown or re-boot often, but when I do I am as impatient as the next
guy. It is never fast enough. Sometimes I re-boot several times in a day.
Usually to install another distro or to see if changes worked.

I am assuming that the kernel of 8.04 won't change much. Mine is stuck on
2.6.19. There was a kernel patch shortly after it came out due to some
vulnerabilities that were discovered. Unless there are more vulnerabilities it
won't change much and you should be able to leave your Ubuntu 8.04 box on until
April 2011. Which is great news for those who are happy with it and crave
stability. Me... I prefer adventure. I don't mind rebuilding my system from the
ground up, if need be. It has gotten to be old hat and it is second nature by
now.

I installed fresh copies of 8.10, even though I had 8.10 working well on another
partition. I wanted a fresh start instead of updating the rc1. It was probably
the same, but it took only a few minutes and I did not have much time invested
in that partition. Replacing my main distro is another story. It has just about
everything possible installed. Right now I have 4 versions of Ubuntu (8.04 32
and 64-bit plus the same for 8.10) installed which makes grub rather long. I
will pare it down to just two.

BTW, Fedora 10 is working on getting its boot time down. Reports are that it is
similar to what Ubuntu 8.10 has, but they hope to get it down to 20 seconds. I
have not used it yet, as I am not a Fedora enthusiast. I will give it a try
before its November 25 th release date, though. It is good to compare and see
what the competition is doing. If only they could share more so that we could
get the best of what Linux has to offer.

 
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