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  Date: Dec 17    Category: Unix / Linux / Ubuntu    Views: 536
  

Getting ready to try to make the big switch. I am on dial up and so
have sent for the disc, which I don't expect for a while. In the
meantime, I've been reading and trying to get my head around the
changes from using MS.

I already waste huge amounts of time installing the
endless 'updates' for Windows and virus scanning and waiting for XP
to lumber to life (and take longer than a three year old to go to
sleep), so I guess I can spend a bit of time working out how to make
Ubuntu fit my fairly limited needs; anything to get the MS noose
from around my neck.

From what I can see, the Ubuntu disc will come with all the software
I could possibly need (I think) except for one thing. Where can I
find software to organise/edit recipes? I don't care how it is
done, by assigning searchable categories and slotting them
into 'cookbooks, or leaving them in a bundle and giving each one
some sort of searchable tag (which is how I think the photo
organiser works?).

I don't need to illustrate with photos or have embedded recipes, or
nutritional analysis or even scaling of recipes, but
I do need to be able to search by multiple ingredients and multiple
user assigned categories. Currently using Sierra Mastercook 5 and
even that 10 year old thing is bloated with features that I have
never needed.

I'm (obviously) not much of a boffin and hope my explanation of what
I need isn't too confusing. Maybe there is someway to use an
included data base? While it would be nice to have something 'off
the rack' to fit my needs, I am willing to fiddle a bit with
something not specifically designed for recipes.

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21 Answers Found

 
Answer #1    Answered On: Dec 17    

In the add/remove , select all available in show, select accessories,
and mark anymeal. I haven't used this program, but I happened to see it
available.

 
Answer #2    Answered On: Dec 17    

There are several recipe managers for Linux. There is (descriptions are from
Synaptic, the package manager):

AnyMeal is a Linux recipe database software developed using MySQL andXML. It can
manage a cookbook with more than 100,000 recipes, thereby
allowing to search, display, edit, import and export them. AnyMeal is designed
to be lean and flexible.

Gourmet Recipe Manager is a gtk-based recipe organizer and shopping list
generator intended for the GNOME desktop environment (though itdoes not need all
the GNOME libraries). Gourmet can import Mealmaster(tm) files and can export
recipes in a number of formats, including text, RTF and web pages. Gourmet also
can calculate nutritional information for recipes.

Krecipes is a KDE application designed to manage recipes. It can help you to do
your shopping list, search through your recipes to find what you can do with
available ingredients and a diet helper. It can also import or exportrecipes
from files in various format (eg RecipeML or Meal-Master) or from
databases. KDE is a Linux desktop manager but Krecipes will run on Gnome (the
desktop manager that comes with Ubuntu). *

To install a program in Ubuntu you do not need to search for files. Instead you
choose them from a list on a program called a package manager. Once you tell the
package manager to install the program it will download the necessary files,
install them and make an icon in the menu in an organized way. The package
manager is called Synaptic or you can go the the menu and choose Add and
Remove.. It is dead simple (most of the time).

*Aside: When we are talking about KDE and Gnome we are talking about a different
look and feel. Ubuntu supports a variety of desktop managers, but it comes with
only one (Gnome). You can add other desktops or programs made for other
desktops. There isn't really a Windows equivalent since everything is from one
source, Microsoft. In Linux, developers can choose from a variety of sources,
called projects. They work independently, but sometimes work together so that
applications can work from one environment to the other. KDE and Gnome are
written in different programming languages. Programs made to work in one
environment will work in another, but may look slightly different. People have
rather strong opinions about which is the best desktop, but in the end it does
not change what is available to you, just how you work, what things look like
and configuration options.

 
Answer #3    Answered On: Dec 17    

Unfortunate I din't see this soon enough, yes, GRM is the one that I
use, I have tried AnyMeal, and I like GRM much better.

*aside, just so we are clear, gnome is the best desktop! lol Sorry,
just couldn't resist.

 
Answer #4    Answered On: Dec 17    

always good to hear user experience. I'll take your
recommendation and try GRM first.

 
Answer #5    Answered On: Dec 17    

Welllll, one can run Cygwin on Windows systems; I have it running on
Win2K-SP4, WinXP-SP3 and Vista=SP1. Full X11R6, xterms, gcc, even
my UNIX/Linux astronomy programs (XEphem, etc), etc all on Windows. :-)

Cygwin is free (<http://www.cygwin.com/>), and is often the only way
to get-around and/or fix Windows-related problems (typically owner
or file protection ones). You can even "play" with the Windows
registry in Cygwin via /proc/registry :-)

If you sat down at my keyboard, you'd really have to look hard to
realize you're facing a Windows system and not UNIX or Linux. Cygwin
is the only thing that makes Windows palatable to me.

 
Answer #6    Answered On: Dec 17    

The website didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, what is cygwin exactly?

 
Answer #7    Answered On: Dec 17    

The first several text lines at Cygwin's web site seem clear to me:

" Cygwin is a Linux-like environment for Windows. It consists of two
" parts: A DLL (cygwin1.dll) which acts as a Linux API emulation layer
" providing substantial Linux API functionality.

That means it's a DLL under Windows that mimics a UNIX/Linux system.

" A collection of tools which provide Linux look and feel.

That's all the GNU software and other stuff you get using apt-get.
I haven't yet found any programs over the 10+ years I've used Cygwin
that wouldn't work under Cygwin but, as they wrote, you must recompile
and link from the source code. No big deal:

$ ./configure
$ make
$ make install

for most anything worth using that isn't already part of the Cygwin
repos. I typically grab everything from the repos -- only 1+GB or so.

" The Cygwin DLL currently works with all recent, commercially
" released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, with the
" exception of Windows CE.

That means it works on Win95, Win98, WinNT, WinXP, WinVista, and even
Server 2003 and Server 2008 using any 32-bit or 64-bit single, dual,
or quad core/CPU system (essentially everything available) and what
doesn't work with UNIX/Linux/Cygwin (e.g., Windows programs :-) still
works under Windows.

 
Answer #8    Answered On: Dec 17    

I obviously cannot show all the X11R6 apps running under Windows
in a forum message, but here's a few examples of command line commands
on one of my Vista systems:

REGULUS bash 1/3156> grep PS1 .bashrc
PS1="\h ${BASH##*/} $PPID/$$> "

REGULUS bash 1/3156> uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-6.0 REGULUS 1.5.25(0.156/4/2) 2008-06-12 19:34 i686 Cygwin

REGULUS bash 1/3156> ls /proc/registry/
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT/ HKEY_CURRENT_USER/ HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/
HKEY_USERS/
HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG/ HKEY_DYN_DATA/ HKEY_PERFORMANCE_DATA/

REGULUS bash 1/3156> echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/cygdrive/c/Windows/system32:/cygdri\
ve/c/Windows:/cygdrive/c/Windows/System3
2/Wbem:/cygdrive/c/hp/bin/Python:/usr/lib/lapack

REGULUS bash 1/3156> echo $MANPATH
/usr/local/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/man:/usr/ssl/man:/usr/share/qt3/doc/man:/usr/\
X11R6/man

 
Answer #9    Answered On: Dec 17    

I'm aware this is getting off-topic so I'll keep this short and the
last post on the subject unless someone has a question. With Cygwin
you can also run apache2, ftpd, etc. under Windows. Want to see a
really interesting thing? Look what Cygwin's /etc/services is linked
to on both WinXP and Vista (didn't power-up a Win2K to check it):

REGULUS bash 1/2740> pwd
/etc
REGULUS bash 1/2740> ls -l services
lrwxrwxrwx 1 thad None 40 May 30 23:06 services ->
C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\services*

Few people seem aware that Windows has had some UNIX-style directories
and other stuff builtin for a long time-- that's why it meets (some)
POSIX compliance. Here's what else is in that directory:

REGULUS bash 1/2536> pwd
/cygdrive/c/Windows/System32/drivers/etc
REGULUS bash 1/2536> ls -l
total 33
-rwx------+ 1 SYSTEM SYSTEM 761 Sep 18 2006 hosts*
-rwx------+ 2 SYSTEM SYSTEM 3683 Sep 18 2006 lmhosts.sam*
-rwx------+ 1 SYSTEM SYSTEM 407 Sep 18 2006 networks*
-rwx------+ 1 SYSTEM SYSTEM 1358 Sep 18 2006 protocol*
-rwx------+ 1 SYSTEM SYSTEM 17244 Sep 18 2006 services*

REGULUS bash 1/2536> file services
services: ASCII English text, with CRLF line terminators

 
Answer #10    Answered On: Dec 17    

See, it also confused me that it said later that the software wasn't
something that allowed you to run Linux programs. But this description
makes it sound like it does. That and I thought it might have been
something like Litestep, which makes things run a bit like and appear
like Linux. I didn't know what it was.

 
Answer #11    Answered On: Dec 17    

Very helpful and detailed enough to get me
started without, hopefully, having to ask any other questions that
are patently obvious to everyone else here.

I'm assuming that I can try out these programs and then uninstall
without causing the weirdness that seems to occur in Windows, where
my machine often seems to be somehow compromised (develops odd tics,
error messages etc) by uninstalling programs?

Your *aside also saved me from asking the other newbie question
about desktop managers. One thing that attracted me to Ubuntu was
the desktop images on the site. I have some visual issues and found
it very clean looking as well as more aesthetically pleasing than
my two options on XP.

I'll wait until I actually get my disc before asking any questions
that using it may answer for me. Again, thank you for your patient
answer.

 
Answer #12    Answered On: Dec 17    

I can't decide. There are things that I like about each and things that
frustrate me about each. Gnome is good, but there are features that I prefer in
KDE, like the ability to have separate wallpaper on each desktop. This is said
to be upcoming in a future version of Ubuntu (Jaunty). If so, it is about time.
KDE has had this feature for as long as I can remember. Also I hate double
click. It is too Windows-like for me. It is the first thing that I change when I
get to Gnome.

I prefer Gnome's placement of the menu bar and it is the first thing that I
change in KDE. The advantage of KDE is that you can configure or tailor almost
everything to your liking, but in Gnome you are stuck with what they give you
for the most part.

The perfect desktop IMO has a combination of features and has not been written
yet. Most Gnome users use at least some KDE applications such as K3b over
Brasero and Amarok over Rhythmbox. The one that I hate the most in Ubuntu is
Evolution. For the life of me I can't understand why it is installed by default.
Most people use email, but don't need all of the parts of Evolution, almost
every part of which is not as good as available separate ones. Thunderbird is
better than the email component for example. Sure, make it available to those
who want it, but don't install it for everyone.

One of the biggest critics of Gnome is Linus Torvalds, BTW. He sees it as too
limiting. He also prefers Fedora as his distro of choice. I throw this in just
to add some perspective. Even the founder of Linux can err or make decisions
that we might not agree with. I agree that Gnome is limiting, but it is still a
good choice for desktop manager. As for Fedora, it is an acquired taste.

 
Answer #13    Answered On: Dec 17    

Fedora?! What does he like Vista too?! lol Yuck. I do use the single
click and double click system, I think it is a lot easier. But I know
others who like it the other way even in Windows. As for multiple
desktops, you can do that with Compiz. I personally could care less
either way, but good to hear that you will be able to do that in gnome
soon. As for configuration, I don't know that there is anything you
cannot configure in gnome, at least I haven't figured out anything, it
is just how you go about configuring it. Personally, I think
configuring KDE is like trying to build a web, almost impossible. Now
as for K3b over Brasero, or Amarok over Rhythmbox? Not a chance! I fell
in love with both Brasero and Rhythmbox the second I used them. Talk
about applications that have it together, they are awesome! Evolution I
never used so I can't comment on unfortunately. Though I agree with you
on Thunderbird, that should definitely be default, it works well.

 
Answer #14    Answered On: Dec 17    

'Sfunny, many who use Fedora use it as servers. I had one client
some of you may recognize, Levanta (formerly Linuxcare (they went
belly-up March 31, 2008)), who contracted me to upgrade their VoIP
system (asterisk), email server (qmail), web site (apache), etc. and
they were running those services on Fedora Core 2 and Fedora Core 3
systems. Ancient, yes, but rock-solid.

 
Answer #15    Answered On: Dec 17    

You can download wallpapoz from
www.getdeb.net/search.php?keywords=wallpapoz to get the same
thing in Gnome
Linux Canuck wrote:

Gnome is good, but there are features that I prefer in KDE, like the ability to
have separate wallpaper on each desktop.

 
Answer #16    Answered On: Dec 17    

Yes, but it is not a replacement for Windows Explorer (not the browser, but the
shell). It runs on top of the Windows desktop, but does not replace it. There
arereplacements to the Windows shell (explorer.exe), such as Aston, but none is
as good as any of the Linux desktops. It is the goal of KDE 4 to run on Windows,
but I have not heard anything about this in a long time. The idea was to make a
common experience available to users, independent of the platform.

Cygwin enables Linux applications to run on Windows, but it isn't a shell per
se. I have used Cygwin and it is good, but you still have to use the Windows
interface to get into Cygwin.

 
Answer #17    Answered On: Dec 17    

There are better ways to run Linux apps in Windows. Look into Cooperative Linux
and andLinux. Another option is to use Ulteo from Gael Duval, co-founder of
Mandrake (now Mandriva). It is a Linux desktop which runs from their servers
and can be accessed from any computer or architecture that runs java. see also:
http://www.linux.com/feature/125891

 
Answer #18    Answered On: Dec 17    

From my experience, you should receivee the Ubuntu CD in about 2 weeks from time
of order.

 
Answer #19    Answered On: Dec 17    

What would be nice for places like down under is for someone down
there with broadband (like a school) to download the image and have
people order it from there. Im sure someone would figure out the best
way for that to work (dealing with blanks and distribution, etc...)

 
Answer #20    Answered On: Dec 17    

Usually this is the role of LUGs, who distribute the disks for free. You should
try to find out where the closest Linux User's Group is and ask them for disks.
I am sure that they would be happy to help.

 
Answer #21    Answered On: Dec 17    

I use something similar, Webilder, but you misunderstand me. When you use
Wallpapoz or similar program it just changes the wallpaper like Webshots for
Windows does, but KDE has that capability built in. In addition if you have four
virtual desktops you can have a different one on each desktop instead of the
same one on all. That is what Gnome lacks and Wallpapoz does not give it to you.
It only cycles wallpaper at regular timed intervals from a folder of your
choosing. BTW, Webilder (not a spelling mistake) is available from Getdeb.net
and it will download photos from Flickr or Webshots and cycle them at timed
intervals. There are KDE and Gnome versions. In addition to Wallpapoz, there is
also Wallpaper Tray in the repositories which will cycle wallpaper. As far as I
know only Webilder downloads wallpaper from the net and cycles it at times
intervals. Once installed you can add it as an applet so it will always be
running.

 
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