Most of the tutorials  are realy about how to use various parts of the
API, although the Java 3D stuff does talk about large  parts of engine
design.

However if you look though some tutorials on Servlets (Tomcat) it does
have some examples of how to do server side programming  for web
applications.

Making games  is such a huge broad subject you would be amazed. Unless
you are talking about a realy simplistic game  you are talking about 4
different programming fields (GUI/ClientSide, ServerSide, Middleware,
DataBase), if it is a networked game you can add networking fields as well.

So if you want to become a leet game developer I would recommend
learning everything you can about programming.

> And what tools  i need to start  with and what's size  they have?

To start programming games? I would recommend going though the
tutorials. After you have mastered every tutorial, go get some books
which have a titles along the lines of "Design Patterns in Java" and
have a read.

> NOTE: Almost forgot, i mean also an online  multi-player and a large area  for
them.
> Well, first things  first, right?
> ~The Mysterious~

Are you talking about something like a Massivly Multiplayer game?

>> Does java.sun.com have tutorials  to start  with java  games, online  game,
>> Java3D programming  and website  programming for download? Size?
>>

>Most of the tutorials are realy about how to use various parts of the
>API, although the Java 3D stuff does talk about large  parts of engine
>design.
>
>However if you look though some tutorials on Servlets (Tomcat) it does
>have some examples of how to do server side programming for web
>applications.

So where can i download  tools for this kind of programming?
Would you please give  me a link and info on the size  of tools?

>Making games  is such a huge broad subject you would be amazed. Unless
>you are talking about a realy simplistic game  you are talking about 4
>different programming fields (GUI/ClientSide, ServerSide, Middleware,
>DataBase), if it is a networked game you can add networking fields as well.

Huh? what's GUI and Middleware?
Well, yeah, networking was the main idea and easiest... i hope.

>So if you want to become a leet game developer I would recommend
>learning everything you can about programming.

Yes, i have heard a lot about this thing,
but where can i download things  to read,
study, practise and learn?

>> And what tools  i need to start with and what's size they have?

>To start programming games? I would recommend going though the
>tutorials. After you have mastered every tutorial, go get some books
>which have a titles along the lines of "Design Patterns in Java" and
>have a read.

What tutorials? About what?

>> NOTE: Almost forgot, i mean also an online multi-player and a large area  for
them.
>> Well, first  things first, right?
>> ~The Mysterious~

>Are you talking about something like a Massivly Multiplayer game?

Uh... what "massivly" multiplayer game?

Java based games are in first plan and then
later other programming games, i think.
Remember that also website programming was in plan, 3D too.

Ouch, my front-finger of left hand hurts, stupid old keyboard...
have to almost strike the control button with full strength
to make big letters!

> So where can i download  tools for this kind of programming?
> Would you please give  me a link and info on the size  of tools?

I don't know too many places that just teach you to be a game  developer.
I tried to point out that being a game developer requires such a huge
cross-section of skills that just learning the basics of pramming is the
best start. After you can do GUI/Client side, Middleware, Networking,
Serverside you will know the basics of how to write decent games.

> Huh? what's GUI and Middleware?
> Well, yeah, networking was the main idea and easiest... i hope.

GUI = Graphic User Interface.
Middleware, applications that are not Directly a Server application or a
ClientSide application. Often are client side with no GUI for input.

Networking isn't the easiest by a long shot. Well it isn't that hard if
you are only doing basic things, although it requires a fundemental
skill level of everything before it, such as a good understanding of
Object Oriented Programming.


> Yes, i have heard a lot about this thing,
> but where can i download things  to read,
> study, practise and learn?

Any basic tutorals. I would work though the basic java  tutorials, and
then as you develop you will just know when you are good enough to write
games.

> What tutorials? About what?

Design Patterns in Java is learning how to write realy good fundemental
code.

>>Are you talking about something like a Massivly Multiplayer game?
>
>
> Uh... what "massivly" multiplayer game?

That was just a question that I got from reading what you posted.

>
> Java based games  are in first  plan and then
> later other programming  games, i think.
> Remember that also website  programming was in plan, 3D too.

Website programming assuming you just mean dynamic webpage development
is probably the better place to start. However even that can be full on
and hard.

3D programming is realy hard. Actualy scratch that, 3D programming
requires you to bend your brain, it is realy hard at first. There is a
reason why there are not to many 3D engine coders around.

> The Mysterious


My recomendation to you (and any other budding game developer out there)
is just to learn the basic art of crafting code. If you are not a
fantastic coder in every way shape and form then you will not be a
fantastic game coder either.

If you want to learn in java, my recomendation is do the tutorial as it
is on java.sun.com and then when you get to AWT/Swing (the GUI parts of
Java) make your own lessons to form kind of games (make events for key
presses and move a elipse around the screen).

>http://www.thejavatutorial.com (I think) is the same as the tutorals on
>http://java.sun.com/.

The java  Tutorial? Hey, i've been there.

>Some good books for me when I was a novice coder was Sams: Java in 24
>hours. It doesn't last long after basic coding though. Some people on
>this list  and in #java channles on IRC don't like Sams, I don't know why .

What is thgis "Sams"?

>You need a basic text editor, and the Java SDK (latest full release).
>Then follow the first  tutes.

That some kind of program?
Where i get it and how much memory it takes?

>Wow, that is a realy large  question. Bare with me on this, if you don't
>understand reply with what doesn't work and I will see if I can make it
>better.

I hope i understand...

>> You mean massive about of players/users? Not necessarily.
>
>Massivly Multiplayer as in Everquest http://www.everquest.com

Hmmm, i gotta go check it out! Anyway, could nice to play Multiplayer on web
with friends and challenge them.

Oh, and there's one i visit almost every weekday... a FLASH multiplayer game
http://www.digisonline.com/tactics

Basic Text editor is like Notepad. Use it before you use a IDE (if you
don't know don't bother ... yet :) )

The Java SDK stands for the Java Software Development Kit and is
something you need to be able to create Java programs. Without this
package you can't code anything (hence you can't learn)

Well, i was not sure did the computer sent my previous message but...
Did i got it right...
I need The Java SDK, which version, link to this and it's size?
And the rest i need is tutorials.

you can download  it from www.java.sun.com both the sdk & also the
tutorials

So all i need is Tutorial and The Java SDK?
There are many version aren't there?
Can you give  me a link to the best you'd use?

The Mysterious wrote:

> So all i need is Tutorial and The Java SDK?
> There are many version aren't there?
> Can you give  me a link to the best you'd use?
>
> The Mysterious

I started out with the very basics, which was the HelloWorld stuff and
then slowly migrated up to operators, loops and arrays. Eventualy I
moved on to DataStructures ... now I kinda read what I need to do
forwhat ever kind of project I am working on.