Thanx man, i'd never have found out how to do it, I was just baout to give up and stick with puuting border=1 in the tag and setting it to 0 in the code  !

hey, now I can do some good sh*te.

How did you find out about that, I've been digging in ms-help on attributes but there's so much of it !

I had a feeling it was that line, I don't know wht but
CustomControls.Design.MenuDesigner, CustomControls.Design

you know, it already has all the info it requires in CustomControls.Design.MenuDesigner .... why should it require the namespace again ?