It makes for a headache though because I want to use Java.
I've got a ton of users with dialups that don't want to download the
JRE and insist that I use code that works with what they already
have. The people who buy new computers with XP have no choice. They
HAVE to download the JRE but I still have to code for the huge
majority of my users on Win98 and IE5x. I really wish MS would knock
of the BS.

Regardless, people here should be aware that if they build an applet
using jdk 1.4 and java.awt.* for the UI, they can't expect it to
automatically work for all the IE users out there just by avoiding
swing. The Vector class won't work either. I'm sure there's plenty
other classes that the MSVM won't support.